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Now, since I'm into aviation that like sitting in an X-wing cockpit, thank you for chilling while I finish the massage and thank you for massaging while It's a cool design. Can you get these anywhere or do you have to have like a license or something to get them? You can get them anywhere. Yeah, I'll get it. Thanks for coming while we're doing this. Thanks. Oh, Jackie. [Music] Oh, Jackie. I just realized what the Oh, that makes more sense. I I realized what the misunderstanding was. I was so confused cuz you like didn't you was like not recognizing and I think I just I got mixed around. But yeah, got it. Superman. Yeah. Okay. I'm playing Superman in the in the next Superman. Very cool. We'll be back. Oh [ __ ] This has been on the coming. I have no idea how any of that stuff looked. dude. Just It doesn't matter. Just put him somewhere. Let's get him. Let's get him. It's fine. Britley, leave him. I just want to focus you. I want to get started. Do you want a water or uh I'm good for now. Is it terrible if I interrupt the conversation to ask for one later? No, dude. All right, then. I might ask for one later. We have options. Wow, those are big water bottles. Shut up. Okay, just going to make a reference to a big penis. Uh, what are you drinking? Mountain Valley all day. Mountain Valley all day. Am I writer going to a green room during a comedy show? Yeah. I asked for one thing and one thing only. Well, more than one. One skew. One skew. Yeah. I asked for four. I asked for uh two Mountain Valley Waters per show. What's a skew? Skew as in like a SQU. Like one product. Are you asking what what it stands for? Yeah. I don't know. What? So, Alexa, what does skew stand for? What? I can put it in post. Oh, sorry. But what you're saying one skew? Can't hear you. One sec. [Music] One skew. One skew. What does that mean? Are you being serious? Yeah. I don't know what a skew is. A skew. A skew number. The number that's on a barcode. But so you want two bottles but with the same skew. Okay, I'm going to treat it like you're being serious, but I'm I don't believe you and I want I want everyone to know this. Great. Okay, if if if I get another Mountain Valley water like this exact thing, this number will match up. So, it's two items, but it's the same item, of course. Right. Right. Right. That makes sense. So Rick asked for five things. Well, he asked for five waters, but the same water. So, that's a contractual thing so that nobody can be like, "Oh, you're asking for too many things." It's like, it's not two things. Do you only get a number of certain number of requests in your writer? I don't know. I I I the only thing I put on there is that I don't think there's a certain amount. I'm just So, the point of the one skew is just that you know what you're getting. It's the same thing. I'm not making an effort to only have one skew in the green room. It just so happens the only thing I want is this water. So, your way of describing the fact that you only want one thing is just like you're like a cool guy. Like, yeah, one skew. I see what you mean. I don't think I've ever said it that way before. I'm honored and confused. Yeah. I don't think I've ever said it that way before. That's cool. You may have just coined a thing that you know now. No, no. like um if you're if if you're selling t-shirts like if you're Damon John's the black guy from the shark movie and you're selling you know uh t-shirts for you by us for us by you for us by you for you by us it's interesting it's kind of like what JFK once said ask not if this shirt is for black people but if Black people are for shirts. It sounds hateful, doesn't it? Just because of the way the world is. But nothing I just said was hateful. Anyway, so tell me about you, Giuliard. Juliard. I'm David. Okay, David, are you having fun? Are you okay with what's happening right now? I wouldn't describe as what I'm h I wouldn't describe what I'm having as fun. It's more of like a strange fever dream. Um Oh, no. That's the end of that sentence. I really read that you are having fun. No, no, no. Let me be clear. I am having fun. I wouldn't describe it that way. Okay. Do what you're doing now. Let's say you eat a steak and it's really good. And you were to say, I wouldn't describe it as good, right? In the same way that you would describe this as a fever dream. How would you describe that steak for people to know that it's still the equivalent of fun? Does that make sense? Wait, the steak is fun or it's good? It's good. But in the analogy, okay, here's a here's my a better way for me to I'm fine with you talking that way. That's appreciative. Appreciated. Um, do you ever does anybody ever say to you like, "Oh, you excited to go to Philly?" For instance, you got a show in Philly. You excited to go to Philly? And your brain goes, "Well, in this moment, I'm not feeling excited." So, I have to answer no. But then they get confused. And you're like, "No, no, it's not. I'm I when I when I'm in Philly, I'll be having a good time. It's it's a it's a cool city. Maybe you don't think that, but you shouldn't tell me. But like it's a cool city and like National Treasure. Um, Invincible with Mark Wahberg. Both movies set in Philadelphia. Philadelphia. Fresh Prince of Belair. Fail Forward. Will Smith. The black guy who wears t-shirts. What would you say if a guy walked in for an interview without a shirt on and I hired him? What would you say? He must have had on some really nice pants or pants. Really nice pants. Amazing. Amazing. So, I want to talk a little bit. So, but you you get that you understand that experience of like, well, I'm not excited in this moment, so I can't. So, right now, you're not having fun, but later on you mean by by what a human would mean by excited. Yes, I'm exc I'm I'm that. Let me ask something that's a little bit more direct, please. Mhm. So, I snuck on to whatever that building was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you recognized me. Yep. And you're like, I'll do your podcast. Well, I I think you asked me to do it and I agreed. I wasn't trying to imply anything. I was just, you know, you don't have to jump on every lily pad. I don't think people were like, "Hey, Rick, can I please do your podcast?" Do you want to do my podcast after this? He really started shooting. You mean that? But I guess what I'm asking is, are you okay that that you're here? Oh, yeah. I'm psyched to be here. I'm I'm really It's It's It's sort of like I like I visit got to visit the Sesame Street set when I was a kid cuz my my stepgrandmother was a writer on Sesame Street. What do you mean? So, can we talk about the the what I saw you guys doing today? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know, um Nicholas, I'm forgetting his last name. What was the hint? Oh, I I didn't have a hint. I completely forgot about that. But earlier Oh, I've got a hint. And it's juicy. Okay. Well, then Oh, I get the hint. You're stopping me from asking you, stopping me, halting me. Nicholas Sparks. I knew I knew we'd get along. I I I when I when I saw your standup, I I thought um I thought I mean, not in the moment. No, no, I was laughing quite quite a lot. I was just over in the side. You probably couldn't hear me. No. Um this is going to sound really corny, but when I'm on stage, I I don't hear people. I only hear their spirits. I feel really connected and present in the room. I'm sorry. Am I boring you, Alvin? That does sound like [ __ ] What I just said? Yeah. Uh, I took something that I meant and I made it really hyperbolic and like ridiculous. Okay. So, for tell me what you really mean. Yeah. I like to get to a place and I have been quite more frequently recently. I'm not saying this is the funniest. I'm not saying this is anything special outside of it's where I feel like I am my best and that is where I am completely present. And I don't know if that sounds woowoo or it sounds like a brag, but I mean it in the latter. Yeah. I'll tell you what, it sounds a lot less woo woo than I stop hearing people and I start hearing their spirits. Yeah. But it's it's that kind of thing. Well, but I'm more No one's in there with me. I'm not even in there, man. Um, go ahead. So, I mean, I'm I'm curious about this. Like, there's there's Are we having a genuine conversation right now? Why? If you have to ask, then because I think we are. Yeah. Okay. This is the thing where you worry that somebody's not on the same page as you. I wouldn't call it a worry. I I was unsure and now I'm sure because I trust you 60% more. Do you recognize David at all? No. Say maybe you will now. No, but I'll what version of some version of this? But will you snap, Rick? That you you need to trust me 60% more than you're trusting me. Okay. Am I supposed to recognize him? Great. I appreciate that. Yeah. So, so I I related to a lot of what you talked about in your standup, which obviously isn't like a TED talk. It's hilarious all the way through. Thank you. But the um the the way you sort of describe uh experiences that most people take for granted as nothing and the way you experience those differently like the um like the hey, how are you? Uh good. Do you remember that bit from your Yeah, I was just acting but I'm with you. Yeah. I've been working on a how are you bit? Different versions of how are you bit for probably 10 years. Yeah. And uh I've been doing that for 10 years. It's on my mind every day all the time of of when somebody asks me that I need to figure out what could I say to them that doesn't feel like a lie to me that I goes as as close as I'm willing to go to a lie. Yeah. That then offers enough cushion that what I said to them lets us just catch the football and throw it back and move on. And it's so when that comes up as practiced as I am, it will take me out of it if I can't be completely honest by saying I don't want to talk about it. Right. You connect with that Superman. I think Superman does too. It's funny. I've been think I'm answering a lot of questions about Superman as I'm doing press for this movie. Okay. Um, and uh, yeah, I think there I've been saying a lot that that Superman has a little bit of that where he uh, he kind of misses some obvious things that people take for granted, but he does it in the direction of believing in people and believing in good. And is it something that you brought to it or is this something that I think so? Um, I I uh haven't seen the movie really. Yeah. I decided I wanted to wait and see it at the premiere. Do you think if they're really going to try and make your uh make Superman a little bit more neurodeiverse that do you think there were any notes in the studio of them suggesting like maybe a scene where you're wearing like really big headphones or something or like when you're saving a train from falling off the tracks part of it like you're really nerding out about how like you know a lot about the train. Well, have you read any Superman comics? Yes. Which which ones? Any that come to mind? You have to believe me. I have. Okay. But no, uh whatever came out when I was in eighth grade. You should you should read the first like 20 pages of All-Star Superman. Um which is the comic that James old Jimmy Guns I'm Jimmy Gun um told me to read uh as sort of the main reference for the movie. It starts with him bringing Lois into the Fortress of Solitude. You've heard of that? I I know Superman. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um I know Superman. Yes. What you're saying is the Fortress of Solitude, which is from the green crystal that his father put in his bed when he was a baby. And then he traveled north when his father, Earth, had a heart attack. And then he threw the crystal into the water and it came on Earth. It actually is on Earth. You don't know this kind of Have you seen the monkey movie? It was Earth all along. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That monkey movie. Yeah. Yeah. Um but he's bring he brings Lois into the Fortress of Solitude and he shows her all of his stuff that he's collected like the the Titanic this Oh, it doesn't take it's not an origin story. You're saying, "Gotcha. Edit all that out." Um, but so there is a little bit of like Superman nerding out about his like his gadgets and his What does he collect? Does he collect stuff that's in the like in like last action hero? Do you remember that movie? I haven't seen it. Last action hero. Arnold Schwarzenegger plays a movie star in the movies come to life. And in the movies, the world exists, but he couldn't be Terminator because Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't exist. So Sylvester Stallone was was Terminator. He's not collecting Batman comics or you know what I'm saying, right? He's not collecting Batman comics because Batman comics don't exist in the universe because Batman actually exists in the universe. Correct. However, does he collect I mean, if it's today, is it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Like, what does Superman collect? Uh, it's uh I don't remember. I remember a long time ago. No, no, like gadgets like like a a ray gun that does some weird stuff and like the the the um wreckage of the Titanic is the one that I remember the most clearly. So, he collects things he wasn't there to save. That's deep. Can I ask you questions about Nicholas Halt? Yeah. You guys had to do truth and a lie today. No. No. Truth or dare? No. Uh two truths and a lie. Lie detector test. Okay. Were you guys given the questions beforehand? Did you write the questions beforehand? You just had x minutes and x minutes. Oh, we were given questions to ask. We weren't given them beforehand, right? So, so you sit down and you look at these questions and you have to ask these questions. I want you to tell me how you feel about the process, good and bad, because I've seen these things all over the place and sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. And what makes it work? What makes it doesn't? Do you have fun doing those things? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because there were some that I listened to that I thought were really funny and I'm curious how they're going to cut it down. Oh, yeah. Well, I'd be very curious to know whether you think ours is funny when it comes out. Um, but how do you like doing it? Like, if you feel something that you don't think is funny, do you, the professional, just be like, I'm just going to say it. It doesn't matter. This is somebody else's thing, or do you need to make it a certain way for you? Do you not care? Oh, interesting. Yeah, it's um it's a little bit of a character that you put on when you're doing press, which is like a version of you, but not quite you. Um with Nick, it's actually more fun cuz I uh I feel about Nick kind of how I feel about you, which is that he's funnier than I am and he's quicker than I am. Um, and so I kind of just I uh sorry I I uh I I it's it's more like I I actually have trouble sometimes doing press with him because I'm trying to be funnier to like match him. Um and and I and I did a little bit of that. I think there's a there's a uh I love this stuff. There's a what? I'm just going blank. So, hang on. Hang on. So, I just have to refocus. No, I I'm in So, I'm in this liinal space where I because this isn't like a press thing. I'm not on I'm not in my mode. I'm just tears sitting with you. This is a tipping point, my friend. Yeah. Where my career goes down the toilet. No. No. I'm just kidding. It's all great. It's fun. I'm fine with it. We'll bleep anything you want. No. So uh uh uh so so you you you get often times I'm picturing this is how you play neurodeiverse Superman and James Gun is like it's too much. Yeah. Yeah. Um there's a there's a a level of of um Hello. Yeah. Okay. Um, there's there's a there's you get handed a page of something that's like somebody some marketing person's idea and and we have the we have the best marketing people, the the top people. Shout out by the way. Yeah, we'll put their Instagram handle up here. Um, and they and they they come up with a lot of stuff and so and you for for Vanity Fair they they like write this they do all this research and they have funny pictures that they're going to show you and like great questions and all this stuff. And I think probably about 10% of the time the writing uh does the lifting where where the the way they phrase a question or the way they set an actor up for a surprise where it's like how the hell did you find this picture of me from 20 years ago uh is enough to be funny. 60% of the funny stuff is from just whatever happens between us. I'm kind of trying to be funny, but I'm trying to be funny in the way that you try to be funny with your friends, not the way you would try to be funny on stage, which I have never done. I've done I did stand up once. I did an open mic once. Really? Yeah. I think it's the same kind of try to be funny. Well, it might be for you, but this is why you're a professional. Like you I was thinking about this earlier. You you've now gotten to the point to a certain extent where you can kind of treat your standup like you're just trying to be funny with your friends. But when most people take that instinct they have for comedy of like my friends think I'm funny. Maybe I should do standup. They're terrible for a long time usually because they're not doing it like they do in front of their friends, right? Because they're because they're what you said and which made me ask that question. What you said was you are playing a version of yourself that's honest enough which is the same thing. They're when people go on stage they play a version of themselves instead of just being. Right. And I that's analogous to when we were talking about like the how you doing and how you feeling where you have to show up and it's masking. And I think press I think a good way to explain to somebody who doesn't understand or isn't conscious of the masking that they do but they're they've done press. That's it. You're not saying you're saying you don't know what you're allowed to say. You don't want to say everything that's on your mind cuz maybe that's not best for this situation. I'm supposed to there's a lot of people here. I'm supposed to be this certain thing. And I find it to be really draining. Yeah. But you guys uh no no judgment on the piece itself truly because I thought some of it was funny. I thought some of it might get cut. I But I was like, "Oh, this is funny." If I mean, they're not it's not going to be 40 minutes. If they make it 10 minutes, it's funny. But there were some things that you guys were were having to ask that uh I was like, "That's just a question." Well, so where's you know like you want to ask either deep stuff or joke stuff, right? Well, so you can't ask deep stuff because we're not doing a lie detector test. We're promoting a movie and and that's also what I'm doing here except for the fact I do I have a little bit of a conflict of interest here because this was my essentially one request in all of press was to come on this podcast. Really? Yeah. It it It's It was wow, that's so awesome. For God's sake, I don't know why, but like this was the one where I was like, "Yeah, we could have a real conversation." I mean it'll hopefully it'll be funny or whatever if you're into that but um so but the yes this the a lot of what happens in the promotion of a movie is you spend a lot of time producing a lot of content either internally with Warner Brothers again greatest marketing team in the world like doing this fantastic job uh coming up with all these ideas and sending us to places around the world that that care about the movie excited about the movie big film markets and then uh essentially filming and photographing us for hours and hours and hours every day for four weeks leading up to the movie and we did a week of it two months ago. Um and then cutting only the great parts like only the parts that have something to it. Um we're not so much crafting. I'm much more of like a crafter as a filmmaker, as an actor. Like that's what it seems like. Even at the beginning of this you're like let me tell some jokes. And I was like oh [ __ ] you're right. And again, I'm sorry if I'm stepping on things, but I'm like, yeah, that I'm like, that's the energy I'm getting from you. Yeah. So, that's why I'm like, oh, do you feel the need to craft some of this stuff? Are you just I think what I found is I'm doing this is the first time I've ever done a press tour like this. So, the volume and like seeing the I mean, even the best marketing team in the world, sometimes they hand you something and you're like, really that like that's cheesy. There's no there's nothing funny to it. It's like because it's hard. It's hard to come up with really hard to be funny. And and the thing that we run out of in the end is time. Is just there's so much to do um that you just you're like, "Well, we need a little thing to do here." Or somebody has an idea and somebody's like, "Yeah, that's a good idea." And then it doesn't go any further before it ends up at the time to do it. Um something just happened that's really annoying. Uh um some I something popped into my mind that I have to check or I'm not going to be present. Great. Okay. Yeah, I saw that episode. Did you really? I lost it. Yeah. The We did a decent job. Matt did a great job mixing, but it came out okay, but I thought I couldn't use it. And I'm like, "Oh, this whole [ __ ] thing." Yeah. All right. Well, that makes me feel better that you'd be scared to lose it, cuz one thing that happens I just did. So, I I just had the Okay. So, the best scenario that I found is when it's all internal, so Warner Brothers controls it. So Rachel and Nick Halt and Jimmy Gun and I can um can just hang out and talk and laugh and say dumb [ __ ] and the marketing team will cut just the best parts. Everything from cutting a pause that like times a joke better to cutting 15 minutes of stuff that was just we all thought afterwards like we shouldn't have been talking about that for that long. That was so boring and dumb. So do you watch those things after? I have been partially to learn how to how to integrate with them better. That's why I wanted to know what you learned. Yeah. So the other extreme which I just did yesterday was I did Jimmy Kimmel live for the first time. I did the a talk a late night talk show for the first time and that is live. That was your first time? Yeah. Congrats. That's cool. It was fun. It was it was really fun. I was more nervous before going out than I have been for anything in years. Um makes sense. Even though it's not live, it's it's to tape. They tape it and then they play it live later. So like if you really screw up, they can cut around it. They do cut the We talked for longer than the final piece was. They cut some stuff out. Um but but the feeling is very much you're like you they they say stand by and go and you walk out and the audience is there clapping and Diego Luna's um guest hosting. You know him? You watch Andor and all the other great things that he's been in. Um and uh you're a Star Wars fan. huge. Um, and so we just sit down and and talk to him. He asks us questions. We kind of know what he's going to ask. We've done a little pre-con conversation where we've touched on the subjects we're going to talk touch on, but it's just a conversation, but it's a conversation like this except there's, I don't know, 75 people in the audience watching, three cameras on you, and your adrenaline is at like a 12 and a half out of 10. So, my mouth goes dry. My heart is racing. And you're trying to you're trying to make sense at basic. You're trying to remember your sentence so that you can get to the end of it. But on top of that, you're not getting cut for humor. I mean, they'll cut little stories out or or bits out, but right, but either you're funny or you're not. Nick is so funny and so quick and he can tell a story. He can tell a story that he's never told before in a way that is crafted like a joke with a punchline and with a tone that like perfectly clearly conveys. He can be he can be insulting or self-deprecating. Not insulting. Deprecating. It's such a weird way to use deprecating, but they're self-deprecating. Everybody knows, but like other deprecating. I think that what you said about insulting makes sense. He can do it in a way where there's no ambiguity. In America, we call it busting balls. Busting balls. Yes. um taking the piss as they would say. And and in a in a situation like that where you can barely keep track of the sentence that you're saying and you're also thinking about I don't want to go on too long, he can ride that tone of taking the piss without anybody ever worrying like oh is he being mean? Like does he not like David sitting next to him? Whereas when if I start to try to make fun of somebody in a break busting balls kind of way, breaking bad kind of way, busting balls kind of way, I immediately become self-conscious that everybody's taking it seriously. You've talked about this too where like you make a joke and then you immediately worry that the person doesn't know that it's a joke. And your two strategies are I'm joking or Well, sorry. I don't want to spoil your whole [ __ ] stand up routine. Okay. But um uh if you want to see it again, you could just go to punchup.live/icklman to find out when I'll be in your city and sign up for my mailing list where I'll let you know if I'm going to be within 50 miles of your city. No spam. Just sign up. Have a time. What were we talking about? [ __ ] if I know. So not knowing you're joking. Jimmy Kimmel Kim Alive like mo most like most challenging situation because you're trying to be funny ultimately like people like a good heartfelt story and that's a little bit easier to do cuz all you have to do is make sense. You got one? Oh, I've got a few baby. Well, I have a question for you. Oh, finally. You have no idea how happy it like when I'm watch. You have no idea how happy it makes me every time I make you laugh. That's what you got to say in your late night [ __ ] No, that's what I end up doing. But it's all like boring earnest stuff. I want to be I want to be able to and I can do it sometimes and I'll get better at it. But it's what my point is that your feeling of of like oh the problem with standup comics is like they're going away from the just being funny with their friends. I don't think this is a problem with standup comics. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You're get you're getting hung up on the word choice. The what you said I mean you wouldn't even say you were having fun. But the the thing you said about usually when people are new, they're they haven't gotten into the reason that they're bad to begin with. Not as present. Well, no, no, no. It's not just that the point is they're bad because they're where they're supposed to be. I'm sorry. I'm not lying right now. I know that's corny. I understand. Yeah. Yeah. But it's it's part of leveling up. Okay. So, the reason they're leveled down, I'll say they have not yet leveled up to the point. Yes. is that they're getting my argument is that it's it's a fallacy to think that you just have to get back to those roots of, you know, having fun with your friends, you know, making jokes to your friends. There's a craft that you learn whether you do it consciously or not. As you're as you start to have to be self-aware of what you're saying and how you're crafting jokes and what people are laughing at, you do in the same way that a jazz musician learns all of the scales and learns how to play them dry and like know just knows how to play a whole half diminished scale in in every key and in every context where it's boring and and if you tried to explain it to somebody, they'd be like, "Well, that's not funny." But when you tell me about it. Um I I was and then I realized that it was stop it wasn't funny. Um yeah, you get to the end of of that process and you start to forget about all that stuff. You start to forget about the crafting of the joke and you can do it with the same spirit as you did what when you when you were just telling jokes with your friends. And that that synergy of those two things is where you get a great, you know, uh, comic who can, you know, I do like when people talk about synergy because it reminds me of, um, tech companies acquiring each other. Now, what you're saying is true. Um, also there is there is something that that some people have more than others. Um, I guess you could grow it, you know, you could always jump higher, but like we all have our ceilings. Oh man. But there's here's here's here's another factor. It's not funny. Can be charm. How do you find it? RZ. Well, that's the thing. That's the what you're saying as a comedian and as a performer where you develop craft as a social artist uh uh uh uh person interesting. The craft is charm and charisma. Yeah. Okay. Nick Halt is funny. You remove the the infinity stone of charm, his funny doesn't land. Wait. Okay. Name me somebody who's funny but not charming. Bill Burr. Okay, that's that's pretty pretty good. Thank you. I I don't know whether I know Bill Burr's work enough to like really pick that apart, although I'd love to. Um is there like this [ __ ] [ __ ] ass [ __ ] you know? I'm pretty sure that's the other guy. Kevin Hart. Charming. Well, okay. So, so name me some is there somebody else you can think of who's not charming but funny? I don't want to be mean, but Alvin. Who? So, somebody who's not charming but funny. Yeah. Um, they all have a bit of charm. That's fair. Yeah. Okay. So this I do think that there's some overlap here that that's that's not you can't separate the two. Yeah. Well, no, no, not not separated, but there's there's like But you just said if you took the charm out of Hugh Grant, extremely charming. Not you have charm, you have funny. Okay, let's say Bill Burr is at a 10 funny, he's at a one to two charm. Right now, listen, you can make arguments other way. I get that. But for the sake of of just keeping this uh analogous to one another, Hugh Grant 10 charming too funny. Okay. I I I think there you're actually just talking about different flavors of funny. Yeah. I think it's all I think humor is I'm just saying if you're an about a boy, you're really charming and it makes you even funnier. Are you a big about a boy fan? Yeah. I mean, I like it. I just realized that subconsciously perhaps the two people examples I gave were guys that were in a movie. You didn't think of that before you said that movie. No. Oh, but synergy. That's right. It was close. I'm I feel like I'm catching up. If we spend another 3 hours together, I'd start to Isn't that what the mama tomato said to the baby tomato when he was lagging behind? Didn't she say What did she say? Honey, ketchup. Was it honey or ketchup? I don't want to stop podcasting. Well, let's keep going then. You mean in your career? You You want to continue? You're done with this, but you're happy. No, no, no. Although your your publicist is saying that the car has to go home. Oh, no, no. She was asking um whether I've said anything career ending yet. No, she just wanted to She asked if everything's going well because she didn't respond earlier when I said ETA, but I don't want to throw under the bus. She's wonderful. She did respond earlier before that. Yeah. I know. She is wonderful. Yeah. I don't want to take out in case it makes it sound like I'm saying she wasn't doing a good job. Keep the nice stuff or whatever. I don't give [ __ ] It must be nice to have that. Just keep the knife. Nice. Knife stuff. That's what Warner Brothers does for you. Uh yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um I want to talk more about something in particular. Okay. We've talked about the charm enough and you you make great points and I'm feeling myself knowing what I'm meaning and not getting it out. Well, or maybe I'm just wrong, but I doubt it. Is that so? Dude, is that a defense mechanism? You think the me saying I just doubt it? No, no, no. You saying that uh you making yourself clear? Uh yeah, that's I I Yes, I do think so. Yeah. And I don't know if it's if I had to pick up out what it is because I was thinking that it's I think it's a defense mechanism for I spent time feel something was not understood so I explained it and I didn't do it good enough so now I'm misunderstood again and I do think that I didn't want to believe that happened. Yes. So I think one of my problems is that and and this I have a reputation for being sort of argumentative to to the point where people think that I don't want to be wrong because I will continue the argument so long and come back to things so much. I am really interested in what people actually mean. So like the reason I'll keep coming back to it I've had some success with it. Yeah. I bowled some strikes. You've what? Bowled some strikes. Is that like a baseball thing? [Music] Really? No, no, no, no. You know, no. I'm trying. This is This is the point is like I part of me wants to be able to do what you do. What you just did made me believe that you don't know what bowling is, right? Is great. Okay. Yes. You are seeing a lack of a laugh from me, right? Which is making you think what you did didn't work. No, no, no. Not at all. I'm sticking with it because Okay. Because because one of the things one of the things that I admire about um your best guests, I would say, don't laugh at all your jokes. They let the joke land and live and they let the audience laugh. And that's tough in a situation like this where you don't have an audience there. It's much easier on a late night talk show where the audience laughs. Um so I didn't mean to cut you out. Obviously, you're there, but you're not there. You know, I was talking to my camera guy. Yeah. Uh um Rick, see that? And I and I I want I want to be that kind of guest, but I knew that I wasn't. I see you as a little boy. I am. And I and I think it's so [ __ ] funny. And I want to laugh. I like laughing. I you know, so then I what? But but but I think you can't play both parts. You're either the audience or you're part of the team. Wrong. Wrong, dude. And I I want to like I could talk about this a lot when I was talking about before of when I feel like I'm at my best on stage. And again, I feel like I need to say this. I'm just being honest. This isn't about how good I am. This is fine. He's fine. Well, no, it's pretty special. Let's be real. I heard that this is the only podcast you even asked to any press that you asked to do is I am in the audience, too. That's what I meant. Like we're all there. I I It's just I'm just standing. I could sit down and then you stand. I'm just standing. Yeah. Yeah. And that's where the like the jazz thing comes where when you're really good at it, you can trade off in that way where it's not like you never have to laugh at the other person's joke, but you can stick with the bit long enough to finish it. There you go. And if you laugh, enjoy it. Oh, I do. I just being also being a performer in the I mean I'm I'm an actor. I'm not a comic, but I love comedy. Blanket a statement, dude. We're all comedians. Yeah. Yeah. I think professionally. No, but I but I I appreciate the the I appreciate the the great I I have my you know my style and my I keep hitting. You need to get sturdier. or something. Um, I have such appreciation for the comics who I think are great partially because I can see their craft. Not because it's not great, but just because I watch really closely and I I love seeing somebody beautifully and effortlessly pull together uh, you know, a great joke or a great story that, you know, turns on itself. I feel that way still too. Yeah. Who who do you like watching in that particular in this I don't think is Nikki Glazer. Okay. Yeah. I watch Nikki tell some jokes before whatever she's doing, a roast, a hosting thing, and they're good. They're good to go. She would kill with them. But then you watch her do those over the next 3 4 weeks and they get to a level where like she's d she's not even at the event. Just just so [ __ ] there. And I see I literally see her because she does it a whole bunch. She I I don't know if I know anybody who goes up as much as her. Um and you just see her do it multiple nights and just sharper sharper sharper and the craft of her. And also sometimes um uh these things as joke writers. So when you go like you know the the whatever the what was it the Emmys? Jimmy Jimmy what? No whatever whatever award show that she did they work with writers. Every one of her jokes it's her voice. Yeah. Anyway her craft. Well so that's cool. You get to actually see that progress step by step. You see the same joke again and again as it gets sharper and sharper. I don't have that experience with comedy cuz I don't see enough comedy. I see your podcast a couple time. I I see your finished product. But when I see the finished product, I can see the physics of the joke that make it so funny in a way that I feel like I could map it out and explain it to somebody why it's so brilliant. This is why I I like And and I think that is some of that is charm, but some of it's just math. I say it all the time. I say it all the time. I even uh got in not I've had conversations with with bosses and friends of mine about the math of a joke and then that some they they appreciate it, but they also go it doesn't matter. Right? And I I think a lot of times you should throw the math away because it gets in the way. like this is the best take, but the continuity is a little off. [ __ ] use it, you know, go go go with the spirit of the thing and what works and but my instincts are very much that. And it's gotten in my way as a comedian for a while. I don't want to talk about this much more anymore. Okay. It's really interesting to me. Sorry. Um, but I I hear you and I get what you're saying. And it's funny to hear somebody who doesn't do comedy pay attention to the math of it all and wants to do it. You wanted to tell more jokes on late night, but you didn't. I don't I don't even know how I would go about telling a joke on late night. I want to develop the skill of hearing and thinking about stories in a way where they fall into that kind of that uh that form uh where that it feels like Nick can do or Hugh Grant can do where you they're just they tell a story and you think that's a really funny story and I think no that if I told that story it'd be dumb and like you wouldn't get it. That's that's a beautiful that's a beautiful melody. No, but if you heard this person sing it, it wouldn't be. Of course, it's the person executing it as well. But that's what you do for It's not just the delivery. It's not like if I said the if I told the story the same way that he did the the same words, it would be funny. It's not just his delivery, his, you know, emphasis. It's the It's But I thought you said if you said it, it wouldn't be funny. But the story isn't the words that he says. The story is what happened. And and some people have this way of taking what happened and telling it first time, maybe second time, with just a little bit of feedback of like, oh, this part's more interesting and funny and oh, that's a good punch line into a story or a a I don't know, I into something that that is really clear to people, which I sometimes have trouble being clear to people um and is also funny. Where's the line between what you're explaining that you struggle with versus you as a profession as literally Superman telling a story with some lines where you are able to be present and do it. Part of it I think is uh having the lines written. Um I do I I do write and I do like writing but but I don't I mean I don't do standup. I don't do uh I don't do a lot of like off-the cuff talking to people, performing improv, that kind of thing. Um part of it is that it is a collaborative process where you know I have a lot of conversations with my scene partners and our and our director no matter what I'm working on especially on Superman, but had a lot of conversations about like what story are you trying to tell here? And I had an opportunity to say like, okay, I think maybe if you want to tell that story, maybe something should happen here where we do a lot of crafting of that kind of thing ahead of time, which then leads to when we're shooting the scenes with that homework done behind us and with the safety net of we know it's going to be cut together. We know that if there's a bad take, that's not the one they're going to use. And if there's a great take, but the timing is just a little off here, they can just snip that timing. Um, you play, you go you go nuts. you you take the structure, you know, whatever thoughts you had ahead of time, but then you're just fully present when when the cameras roll and you go with whatever happens and it's the two of you in the room or the three of you in the room. Um, that is a really difficult thing to do in its own right, but but essentially a completely different I don't know part of my brain and and you have other people who you can bounce ideas off of. Like I think I could develop a good talk show story if I if I talked to you about it for you know an hour. Um or even if I talk to you know my sister or my wife about it for an hour because once you have the feedback like you get on stage your brain goes to a different place where you're like ah of course that didn't make sense because I didn't set up that part of the story that's important for people to know in order to get the joke and laugh at it. Why do you feel like you have to tell a story uh on late night? Well, Rick, because they ask you questions and they expect you to talk, right? But same here. Well, here. Yeah. But and and here, uh different audiences. Um probably. You think you got a lot of overlap with Late Night with Jimmy Kimmel? I don't I mean, my audience is mostly like 22 to 35year-old hot women and people with autism. Thank goodness. Wow, I picked the right podcast. It is. Uh, you are going to fit right in. Uh, the uh the idea of like needing to tell a story is like a jumping off point for people that feel like if they don't have a story to tell, then they can't say anything, right? So, I can I don't need feel the need to tell a story. I want to be able to answer a question in a way that is Can we do a practice, please? Oh, that'd be awesome. Wait, before we do that, can I ask, do you watch the rehearsal? I have not seen the second season yet, and I hear it's wild. Did you like the first season? Yeah, loved. Okay. I think the second season is like the sharper version of the first season. I also love planes, so the specific focus on aviation is like turns me on immensely. Um, great. And so I I I highly recommend really interesting. He goes further. I think it's great television. Um, I'm happy to hear you watch that and like it and let's rehearse. Rehearsal. Got it. Yeah. Sorry. That's Do you have any questions that that you could give me that they've asked? I should ask your publicist if I could ask them. Okay. So, so let me ask you this. If you could think of sort of the most obvious basic question. Those are the questions we're going to ask. Got it. Yeah, of course. I get it. Um, so you and Nick are working together. Is it interesting like being friends in real life even though he's playing the villain? I'm so glad I'm doing this with you because this is I'm going to explain what happens in my brain. Okay. I hear the words that you're saying you and Nick. Okay. I'm thinking right. Me and Nick. Is it interesting? Interesting. What does interesting mean? Interesting means like does it interest me? Does it interest you? Um what was the rest of it? Interest you like playing being friends and playing playing villains, you know, antagonists in real life. Friends, is it interesting that Well, yeah, it is. Well, it's not really interesting actually. I mean it it's like not a thing that I've thought about and when I think about it now it doesn't interest me. There's your answer for your audience. Yes. For most people they're like what a crazy person. And and also I didn't enjoy listening to him say that. Probably most of these people didn't enjoy me listening listening to me say it either. The this is the thing about coming up with the It's exactly what you do with the how are you? Mhm. I want to come up with the lie. That's not a lie. It can't be a lie. Do it to me. So, also, what would Nick say? If Nick was asked that question, how would he Well, if I knew what he would say, I could do it before he said it. You know, put you on the spot. Would you call him? Um, yeah. Gosh, I wonder if he'll pick up. You could send him a text and ask for a voice note. Hey, brother. I'm on a podcast. Um, this uh Did you meet him? Rick Glassman. Did we talk about this? Um uh and I'm trying to figure out why you're so much better at uh answering like press questions than I am. Um so if you're if you're interested and up for it, uh will you just send me a voice note with how you would answer the question? Um how does it feel? How does it feel playing villain to somebody? You know, doing great. This is Jimmy Kimmel. Uh, how would you how does it feel, you know, being friends with somebody who you play an arch nemesis to, but being charming about it? Yeah. Like what's what's it like working with a friend where you're playing a villain? It's the point is that it's a bad question and then you answer it. I mean, dude, so long. I take full responsibility for my part in that. All right. If you had to guess how he would do it, just it doesn't have to be spoton, but like an impression that we could then like Well, um well, obviously it's very easy because uh I hate David. Um he's uh very frustrating and uh be happy if we never work together again. No, no. The in in truth, David's lovely to work with because and then he would say a bunch of nice things. Okay. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, you're doing more press with him. To be fair, Rick, that was my best attempt. He's better at it than that. No, no, no. This is a I'm saying a nice thing. I'm saying I'm Yeah. Well, it better be about me. What I'm saying is you have to do that for the rest of your press with him. Okay. Do I do it in a British accent? Yes. Truly. Yes. Thank goodness you cross my eyes. Um. Yes. Yes. Well, so I do a little bit of of that, but it it it doesn't it doesn't work in the same way. But yeah, because what you're looking for in what works and what doesn't work needs to be redefined. Okay. Okay. Is your job to be funny? No. You have to make sure that you don't step on what you're promoting and make anybody unhappy. But if you're going in there and your job, you like your inside of you is to be better at this and you're next to Nick and Nick is so good at this. I want to be like him a little bit. I'm going to do my best job at being like Nick and that's who you are. Then you do it and once somebody potentially calls you out, you already have your answer. He's I'm not good at this. He's good at it. And how fun if it's after four interviews or in the middle of the same interview. But don't you feel that it's important that there there's something I mean you just said it. There's something important about being funny where you're not trying to be like somebody else. You're not doing somebody else's version of the humor. But but there's a difference between stealing something from somebody and playing the game that you know it's like it's tag. If tag were real life, you'd be like, "Stop touching me." But that's the game that you're playing. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just checking to see if he texted. I'm saying as somebody who relates to you in a way where it's like I don't know how to be authentic and um palatable. Well, and and in real life, like it's important to be palatable. When you're promoting a movie, you want to be more than palatable. You want to be like, you know, you want to be interesting and funny and you want to be all the great things. That's why I'm suggesting, yeah, in if you can't do it with stories, why do you have to do stories? instead play a game, right? This is just a game. So, okay. So, challenge of games is a lot of what you're like I can play a game with Nick because I know Nick and I know that he can play the game with me. When I play a game with somebody I've just met who's interviewing me, especially when it's, you know, somebody like Diego who's guest hosting the Jimmy Kimmel Live show and he's got his own ch he's got a much bigger challenge than I have that night. He's hosting the whole show. He's never done this before. He did it last night for the first time. You know, uh, one thing I also don't want to do is screw that up in any way. Absolutely. I have five words for you. Trust him 60% more. Okay. And if you're not sure, you could talk to him beforehand and when you're doing talking about whatever the questions are going to be, say, "Hey, I'm playing this game where," and you don't have to tell Nick. You could just tell the host or you could tell them both. Do you ever wish you could follow somebody around all day and like really see their life moment to moment for a day? Like a podcast? Not at all. Like a podcast then? No. [Music] Should I Are you saying because of me? Should I Should I be Can I be your press person? Yeah. Yeah. That That's what would what would interest me is like having another version. Not that you're another version of me, but you think like me in this particular I'm Clark Kent. You're Superman. I get it all the time. So, we'll do the bit. Well, you available tomorrow? I'm leaving tomorrow. For where? I'm going to New York. I'm I'm interviewing Paul Rudd finally. He was supposed to come on a couple months ago. My assistant made a schedule. Yeah. You are Jewish, right? I am. Yeah. Okay. I I I can't quite tell in your movies, but but I can in your this you have a little bit of a neurotic. Really? Yeah. I Okay. Hey. Hey. [ __ ] Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Hey. Hey. Nice. Yeah. Rick. Nice to meet you. Hi, Rick. Sorry. So, now we're going to have So annoying when that happens. I'm just kidding. I don't have an assistant. Would you recommend your guy? No. Well, if you're if you're going to get rid of him, you know. No, he helps. He does help me when he's in New York. Yeah. He's just just helps me in New York. Okay, cool. But gify things so that you only do that when you are with Nick. I wanna I'm gonna throw Give me that for a second. Yeah. Thank you. I want to throw my hat in the ring for something here. I'm pitching you on another game. You your first interview. And by the way, these are not everybody's going to see them all and they're not going to see them all in order. Definitely. That's for sure. But for you, you could put it together, at least in your mind, where you have this arc of it starts with the first one that you just did, Kimmel. The story of this is you're nervous. This is your first time. you're in your head inner monologue that we saw, right? It might actually even be fun to have that clip and then when you're talking drown the audio out and just take this audio, put in like here's what I'm thinking about that question. You know what I'm saying? Then the next one is Nick and you tell the host, but you don't tell Nick until either Nick calls you out or you plan with the host. At a certain point, you have to ask me while I'm do why I'm doing this. Otherwise, Nick might organically he might play along and if it goes great, he doesn't even have to call it out. if it if we feel like we need it. And now you could then play this game where you become more and more like him. You become charming eventually. Then other like people they don't want to talk to him. You're the charming one. Whatever it might be. And then it gets to the point where you admit, listen, I'm not good at this. I took something that I and I'm I'm sorry. And then you hire a a person. You hire me and I come with you and I stand behind you on on the things. And when you get you don't ever have to ask me anything, but if you ever are unsure how to handle it, I'll whisper in your ear what to say or what to do. And then you get the luxury of whether it works or not. It was his words. Writes itself. Sorry. Was this all a bit or real? Real I was okay. And then what writes yourself? What writes itself? Well, that's just a saying for it works. Got it. It writes itself. Understood. Um, you know what I feel like right now? Give me a hint. Uh, going back to jazz music. Nicholas Halt. Nice. Good hint. What are you feeling? I'm feeling like I'm sitting across from, you know, pick your favorite jazz pianist and he's saying you just do this and then you do that and then you play a diminished scale here and then you uh and then you obviously substitute this chord and then if you're ever I'll tell you do this and then you can just play my version like well and also second thing if I can talk for a second. I'm sorry. I'm loving I'm having a great time. You're great. They love you. Um, uh, this is the other thing that you're good at that it takes some skill. It's like doing the and then coming right back to it cuz otherwise you get this dead space afterwards that John Marco has to John Michael. Michael, you don't need to fill dead space. No, no, no. It's not about filling it. It's about living it in a way. Then think about what you want to say. No, I'm going back to what I was going to say. Do you mind? No. I want to talk to you more about Nick. No, go ahead. Uh the the the second thing is that it's I I don't I don't think that there's something wrong necessarily. Sometimes when you have conversations like this, um there's a feeling of like, oh, I have to fix this thing. The the ultimate answer to this is I've just started doing this. I've never done press like this before. I'll get better at it and I'll figure out the way to do it. That's, you know, and I've even already gotten better at just just in the last week. I want to write I want to write bits for you to do on this. Great. Well, I would love that. I mean, if you have time, you know, I don't know how that maybe next one. You have my phone number if you want to. Um I'm not sure there'll be a next one after this. Oh, no. It's okay. Oh, you're Jewish. Yeah. Half, right? I just saw him. I was in the I did this that the half being the person who was like, "Oh, it's not going to be good." Right. Him. Yes. I thought you said I thought you meant my Jewish father who's dead. Him being the Jewish half. Yeah. I'm sorry for what happened to your dad. Oh, well, it wasn't your fault. I don't mean I'm sorry. I'm not saying I'm sorry I didn't do it. I'm just sorry that it happened. Would you tell that story as if you were on late night? I was thinking about that, but I don't think I can. Okay. Well, then I'm sorry for that comment. No, no, no. thing that was was uh he he he would uh he would like this. I don't know. I think so. How would you know? I just you know he's your Jewish father. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, he'd appreciate your Jewish father. Your father's Jewish, right? Yes. And so are the two so are the two Jews from my hometown that created the character of Super. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Good segue. Thank you. Will you ask me a dumb an animated shack on a segue through the living room? Go ahead. Uh, well, speaking of Shaq, before I forget, the two superheroes. Yeah. Neither of these are in frame. They're in somebody's frame somewhere. All right. What were you going to ask? Um, will you ask me a dumb question about about the the grand the the the guy invented creative Superman who was uh from Cleveland? Sure. Do you want me to ask you a question as if you're on late night? Yeah. Okay. St. This Superman. Superman's. When was the last time you we you watched a late night show? I was just at Flappers and I saw Jay Leno there. No joke. Really? Yeah. Oh. Was he was he what? Gay. Why does that matter? Why does it matter if Jay Leno's gay? Was he working? Oh, yeah. Cut to a clip of Jay Leno um on a strip pole. AI. No, no, don't don't don't. Um, yeah, he was doing standup. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. He does stand up all the time. All right. Um, do we need to plug this in? Is that Bradley Cooper telling you he was psyched about you as Superman? Yeah. How did you I got cameras. No, it doesn't work cuz he's he's explaining how he would answer it as opposed to actually answering it. I want to hear I didn't set the bid up. Yeah, but I got I would have to check it to see whether it's because Okay. Well, you'll send it to me after if it's approved and we'll put it up over this. Also, this is a separate idea and note, but you need to stop saying that you're not good at press and that you don't answer questions well because you do. You're very articulate and smart and thoughtful with your answers. Um, I can't talk. So, this is something you're imagining. Take the audio out. And the more you the more you say it. Raise Nick's voice, it will come. Do I play basketball? You'll actually be able to play and do a free. Stop saying that. Then I'm going to turn. Ask me again. You play basketball? Yep. One more try. One more try. You play basketball? I play mostly. I live it. Use that one. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense what Nick was saying. Yeah. I don't think it proves my point. I think it's So, I'd like to apologize. Yeah. to any of the people that are still here that came here to listen to David talk about all things that you're interested in David to talk about. I know that there was a good section of it when I wasn't talking, but this I'm high. I'm having a great time. I did a horrible Superman interview with you. Well, no, no, but this is the thing is I didn't expect you to do a good Superman interview. Um, there are plenty of those. Yeah. I thought the reason I wanted to come on here is I I thought we might talk about interesting stuff and it's a shame we didn't. Oh, see Nick could deliver that. Yeah, exactly. Do what you just did as Nick. Do that whole thing. Yeah, that you were excited to do the Superman story. So, um No, I didn't I didn't think you were going to do a No, no. It only comes in later, right? I can't do the whole I can't live thing. No, no, no. Because I didn't think I was going to make the joke until I have to start when I think I'm going to make the joke. Look, I'm in here. All right, let me handle it.
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