Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino's funny enough called bad friends bad friends and afterwards and my good pal Chad culture with whom I do doozy uh was with me sneakers are coming soon sneakers are coming soon you get your will foot and your Chad foot comes in a size 15 and a nine and a half um and uh I remember afterwards we were talking it was just basically me Chad and Santino were talking and Bobby was over there you know on his phone and then I was like we I mean we didn't spend any time talking about anything it feels like one of those hours that goes by and you realize I've just been goofing around with these guys which is that's what life is about right a little bit it's great and then I'm like all right Bobby hey Bob I'll see you later and he's like like this all right man hey love you bro see you later yeah yeah yeah he's a guy do you ever just I just send text messages over there to him that never come back and then he thinks that I'm angry with him because it's been you know it'll go two three years without him getting back to me and then just out of nowhere hey fuck face and uh who says Hey fuck face he does or you do are you both back to each other no I got to be very I got to be very careful Matt Bobby yeah I got to be very sweet dear friend dear friend hello how are you doing how are you I know I checked in with you but uh not but three months ago uh and then every once in a while he'll go hey fuck face I tend to hide from the world and I I'm I can be pretty shady with friends come back yeah I I can empathize with with Bobby it might be a Skyrim thing it might be like hiding in a world in a digital world with fake fake NPCs yeah yeah there's that yeah uh yeah you know I have a buddy who said something really smart a while ago we ended up working together on this uh TV show thing and I reached out to him to see if he wanted to do it with us and uh he did and he goes this is a great guy such a funny writer he goes I may not be in touch all the time but I know who my friends are yeah you know what I mean and it's like in our business and this is a fellow who Moved um who's from Ontario Canada moved back there he's on the farm with his wife and kids and he does not care he's never been a Hollywood guy and uh it's tough to get a hold of him but when you do you know he's still the same sweet old guy he's doing his thing though yeah yeah some of my closest friends even if we don't talk for a few months yeah we're right back at it if we do and then if shit goes like if something really traumatic happens or difficult stuff or you know any of that kind of stuff I'm almost there so like so for important stuff sure important highs and important lows you're there yeah and then yeah pick right back up especially if you have those years of experiences together it's interesting totally uh so you've done a couple of podcasts yeah done so we got to talk about Duty a little bit but first you did for several years you did the 10 Minute Podcast yeah I mean everything is hilarious about that podcast including the fact that it's 10 minutes right that means every it's ridiculous it's absurd the dynamic is hilarious it's you Brian Cal and kristalia there I I don't know exactly why it's why I worked so well but it did it worked really well I think it's because the yeah you were having fun probably I mean that's that would really came through that it was friends just talking shit and attention the beautiful tension and the absurdity they came out yeah uh what sure what was the story of making that podcast what how did that came to be uh why do you think it was as good as it was I don't know I feel like that podcast was like it was our our who we kind of are but on steroids or something like you know uh each person you know Brian's going to be like extra manly and and uh can you get any more mailing than he already is no yeah he reaches though uh and yeah we just kind of it's I I feel like as goofballs we knew each other's line yeah like here's the line you don't cross I feel like those guys don't really have one uh but at least they knew mine um and and yeah we were able to just yeah goof around and I did it with them for three years and then Chad who I'm doing doozy with and my pal Tommy blacher who's a another writer producer like Chad they came on and yeah all told we did I did like seven years of that thing six five six seven I don't remember do you think it ever comes back in some small form as as a 20 minute podcast or something like that I mean is there uh because it's one of the most requested I mean there's you you have a huge fan base I'm 47 years old so I am of the generation that had a cell phone has had a cell phone half the time and didn't for the formative years of my life into my early 20s um and then finally got a like I got a cell phone I guess I was like 19 or something just like literally just because I'm moving to La you got porn in the mail you got yes that's right it was that the hard the hardcover porn that's the way we liked it bound you know nice binding on the on the porn the leather uh next to the Bible yeah yep um these are all my these are my Encyclopedia Britannica wow very impressive yes a man came to the house and sold me these and then down here these are my this is my pornography uh if you'll follow me through here to The Parlor uh sir and pass through the generations from Grandfather to Father yeah I want to give you something very special to me Nebuchadnezzar um but uh uh if you go up in the generation without a cell phone yes I um it's hard for me to connect with people who who hit me up I look at everything as polling so if one person hits me up and shares this opinion but two other people hit me up and share that I'm the worst I'm don't follow my polls my when people say oh that poll means absolutely nothing so-and-so is going to win anyway that that's my pull my pull means nothing but I do look at the stuff and go uh this many people are saying this that means that that number is saying that and yet it's very hard for me to hear what the hell people are saying online yeah I really I can't connect to it sometimes personally So when you say that that's a popular podcast like I know that I know that it's popular with the people that have expressed that they love it yeah you know what I mean what does that actually represent I don't know I don't know what kind of people are the audience I don't know I know that the the people that listen to the 10 Minute Podcast and if you did thank you uh and we're friends uh I know that it was a it was a special thing because it's like you know just doing this out of my house and we just built it up out of nowhere and we're just kind of clowning around it's a it's an odd thing I hope I I pers I think I I speak for the two people that have reached out to you that said you should do it or whatever three people the poll yeah that uh you should bring it back at some point that would be beautiful just maybe uh it's like uh what's what's a good story of some of like a famous band that came back and was successful probably well Nirvana no it was not sorry I got Nirvana mixed up with Aerosmith yeah it was Aerosmith I was Aerosmith yeah I had that second ride different yeah totally different ending of those two bands one ended up on uh American Idol yeah um a lot of interesting women involved in that one too all right uh uh how did doozy come to be dudes and what the hell is dudesy doozy is the first podcast and this is exciting that you've asked me to come here today uh because to hear what you would have to say about it or what you would ask about it it is the first podcast that has been that is run completely by and essentially I like to say curated by an AI um we were approached by a company that had this proprietary AI that wants to develop the podcast into the future and figure out exactly what it takes to make the best podcast ever and it was all we all we we knew from the top and what they really wanted was two people who were actually friends and could be meaningful in the podcast space based on whatever information they have the company's CIA and are they testing technology to control the populace through chatbots I'm sorry I'm not at Liberty to share that information you are yeah who gave you the suit where did you get the suit where did you get the suit will yeah well this is JCPenney CIA stands for something different in here I mean you know it doesn't mean like you know Central Intelligence Agency and probably it's just different it's uh yeah it's a Canadian uh National apparel yeah the Canadian International apparel company hit us up Chad and I um well Chad's a super weirdo you would get a kick out of him I know you guys you you strike me as a very similar in some ways and I'll take that as a compliment but it is and it is uh and it is yes and if I was friends with you for as long as I've been with Chad perhaps I'd have some horrible shit to say about you but yeah uh the good parts you remind me of him and we were approached by this company that said we have this Ai and we would like to set it loose on you and essentially we had to hand over some some information that would allow the AI to to access our email and uh look at our search histories purchase histories things like this and really dig into PornHub included or yeah I had to hand over all my leather-bound 1970s pornography um and essentially it curates a podcast for us every week doing dumb things like you know it says hey will you know you do a Hulk you do some shitty Hulk Hogan impersonation podcasts about news are very popular this is infomania you know what I mean oh let me tell you something about that Marjorie Taylor green dude and then he's going on doing some new stuff um and it basically just spits out all these things that it wants us to do normally four segments an episode and that's pretty much it it's a generous what to do it generates the premise I mean you've spoken a bit here and there like I said I'm a huge fan I don't even remember where but like you you you talked about that you enjoy doozy because you feel almost like liberated to um because you're operating within the constraints of the premise that generates so you're almost not you're you're you're you're free to riff essentially yeah like you don't have to you don't need to do the job of like coming up with the weird you can just the weird is given to you and then you just run with it that's a good way to say it because we're already weird Chad and I Chad Chad can talk for days about all sorts of stuff he's particularly interested in AI lately and its effect on Art he is a a writer books movies and TV shows and um I'm primarily you know acting and trying to come up with stuff stuff I write with Chad's pretty good the rest of it hasn't seen much success anyway uh Nora is the stuff with Chad for that matter but um that's because of me sneakers you never know okay oh I can't wait for these things only in two sizes yeah only in two sides you're gonna be able to take the the you know the tongue you can't take it out because it's actually stitched in yeah it's pretty cool stuff um velcro or uh yeah velcro velcro up the side we're doing some like brand new Kanye stuff yeah we want things to look like this is what you'll be wearing on Mars when you get there so cutting it so Nike's doing a bunch of research for running how to make a super light shoe that you can be efficient in and break all kinds of Running Records so you're doing the same kind of stuff we're doing the same kind of thing for the podcasting space the best kind of shoes to sit around and talk to your pal in um but yeah we so this yeah it's bizarre and it also does some writing Duty does come up with things but not unlike what we're seeing in AI art now it's a little bit foggy it's a little bit weird and it but it is improving it is learning about us and writing stuff when it makes me spit this and that which will read you know well you know I've prepared these things for you to read it's impossible not to get a kick out of it because Chad and I are first of all we're blown away that we're doing this yeah and second of all the some of the stuff is actually very funny it makes weird names like I don't think it understands it messes up some words and stuff but that makes it even funnier and then it it sort of from the beginning started laying on like it says astonishing all the time everything is astonishing um that's dudese's favorite word um but yeah it's basically just a way to to frame the podcast you know what I mean because my thing is uh I don't want to do this or I actually have to talk to someone you seem to feel a burden of the long form conversation it seems like is that really hard work for you no not at all it's just that I don't like the bore people and I feel like if I go on and I like to provide value for who for what I am you know your value with regard to this project is is obviously warranty it's obviously I'm waiting for the explanation for what the value is exactly two dudes in a suit no listen yeah two dudes in a suit no I mean you've got your audience and that's the end of that people find Value in it for me I I do feel like I'm uh it is important that I if I'm going to do something that you know is going to be funny or that I hope is funny I just kind of want to get in and out of someone's day and just kind of I like making I like making laughy I want people to you know whatever it's the same thing that anyone else will tell you yeah but in the long form you feel the anxiety you did a few funny things and I wonder if I can keep doing the funny thing is that why you you're you feel that like why is doozy relieving you of some of the anxiety well in some ways gives me anxiety because I don't know what's coming and that's weird for me because I like to prepare uh for things but it's that's not what podcasting is podcasting you need to just be malleable and say whatever and do whatever um and uh that's what makes it a real I mean it's look it's a medium for conversation and if you're driving along listening to this or anything else you're you know it is that it's the it's the true meaning of the parasocial relationship because the best podcasts just make you feel like you're sitting around rapping we're just having a conversation you could even be sitting there agreeing or talking out loud to yourself if you want to be sitting in silence or you could just be sitting in silence in your fancy uh podcasting shoes podcasting audience shoes this is very different build than this would they be awesome Call of Duty the shoes yeah they'll be good shoes that's very creative yeah well one thing the AI isn't good at yet is branding everything is just doozy this and that I would argue that's pretty good branding I don't know well doozy allows me to just it forces me to sit down with Chad and goof around for an hour or an hour plus and and uh it provides the parameters that I A lot of times ignore because I'm I think that podcasting is just two dudes shitting around or three or four but um it it it sits me down and gives me a premise to to work with me to just riff with it yeah it's fun it's been a hoot so from the acting perspective you know a lot of people like Daniel Day Lewis will will see acting just like as you described which is you have your roles you Embrace those roles and then you disappear you don't um you don't you don't do podcasts you don't do any of that kind of stuff your art is your art so is that is that party you feels that way I think so is that the actor side of you yeah anytime I get to do something that I don't get a chance to do much of or something that people haven't seen me do much of or that I've done on some scale that isn't hasn't been very wide and not a lot of people have seen it that's the stuff that I get really excited about um I don't know why I'm I don't know why I don't know why necessarily I haven't answered that question yet in my life like what it is about being an actor that I love so much because it's not like I don't like to it's not like I'm trying to get away from myself and play other characters and stuff and not be myself um but it is it has always been fun to to just be other people and Escape yeah is there some aspects to The Impressions where you become that person is that like what what's that like to uh I suppose acting is a full-on version that you really at his best become the character is there some fun in that yeah absolutely if you can play a character for long enough um and then jump out of it uh that's a lot of fun like I did this movie like four or five years ago called the inside game about the NBA gambling scandal that there there's a Netflix documentary around about it right now and that character I played uh Jimmy Batista Baba the Sheep who's you know this guy was this bookie and ra ra Ron it's a very he's a there's a lot going on with him he's he's you know he's running numbers with the mob and stuff and there's a lot of money changing hands that character was so I got to be get so deep into that character that coming out of it was was a little odd or as weird as this sounds The Three Stooges was hard for me to I found that I had uh some of Curly's mannerisms just automatically I could not stop them when people when when I would talk to people they would they would come I wasn't I'm not doing it on purpose I don't want to do that like I'm ready to shed it because I've been working on it for months and months at that point as far as getting the thing down and then you then you gotta shoot and then uh for me it's always I always want to change the stuff I did the day before I'm like that where I'm like I could have done it better and this and that and uh that stayed with you that character stayed with you a little totally yeah I just feel like with actors sometimes when you listen to interviews they've spent so much time sort of living inside other characters that they they almost don't have a depth of Personality themselves like a depth like I don't mean that as a negative thing it's just like it feels like the art form at its best is pretending to be other people uh like and even pretending sounds negative but like I'm pretending bringing certain characters to life yeah yeah embodying a weird thing happened while we were doing Stooges because you've got a very heavy blueprint we're following this very clear blueprint that the Stooges left for everybody and it for stooge fans and people enjoying the movie it's got to be this you take your toolbox that you're used to Bringing to a comedy movie you leave it you leave it behind the only tools I'm bringing are the ones that he used and weird things started happening where I would I always saw the whole thing happening with the real Stooges in black and white so I if we're about to shoot a scene I would just you know think about I'm gonna aside from all the other preparation you know you know everything which supposed to do and I've been watching so much of it and the three of us are we're pretty much left to come up with a lot of the the Striking combinations and all the stuff which is all real smacking and all this crap and the stuff that we were doing that was very stoogy uh you're preparing all that stuff but something else was happening before you jump into a scene and the unknown of now we're shooting it and here are these uh parameters within to shoot the scene I could still see it as them doing it so much so that when I saw the movie at the premiere I was like who's this big fuck doing because I'm not curly to me curly is Curly but I feel like you're seeing yourself in black and white almost I was seeing him yeah I was only seeing him channeling in some fundamental way in some weird way you're channeling them because you've seen so much of it the only thing you know about Jerome Lester Horwitz is curly I'm not saying he was exhumed or something or his Spirit went in here some weird you know Crystal mommy shit like that I'm saying that this because you know so much of it because of the heavy blueprint that they left with you you are you're channeling what that person does and you're you're I was seeing entire scenes you know before you do them the way he would do it and then you want a couple takes to make sure that you're doing it right but that was hard that one was hard to let go of some of them are do you think Larry David who is also in there dressed as a nun also had trouble letting go that we mentioned clothes make the man yeah think that worked for him in that case man you know he uh wasn't like working with the guy come on he's the greatest and he's uh he's a big stooge he's a stooge fan and him and Pete fairly are good friends and then but then Larry David has to show up and hang out with us for a couple weeks he's like I didn't realize it was going to take this long you know but uh ah shit I gotta be out here in Atlanta it's boiling hot but at one point uh there's this line where he kept doing a he would just spit a different line every time he was like getting hit in the head with something he's laying there on the ground and he goes he like comes to and he says at one point he goes Miami audiences are the best audiences in the world right and because he's loopy now he's playing a nun at the at the orphanage where the Three Stooges grew up and I'm super intimidated by Larry David he's a genius and stuff and and uh and but I walk up to him and I go uh so he's what is he like a like a bush belt Florida comedian who is on the lamb and so he's dressing as a woman he ends up at an orphanage like what's going on there and he just and he looks at me just goes yeah like I'm like yeah he's got some like actor motivation like of course he looks it's Larry David in a nuns habit which is hilarious that's such a fairly casting thing it's you know and he's but he's doing this whole like what a warm audience you know like like oh he's like this cat skill comedian who's been living in you know so that's what he was like living through in his mind is just having fun with it right I mean that and probably a combination of that and getting the lines right because he's like what are we doing here what is you know just frustrated all day with what the heck we're trying to do what do you think makes I mean that guy is one of the best improv people ever yeah so what do you think makes him so good like why is it so compelling to watch that guy because he's a comedic genius like he literally he knows what he does he's been a writer for 50 years or whatever and he's and he just happens to be that brilliant I mean I've gotten a chance just to do I did it uh just an episode of curb a small part and it's crazy what he sees I don't know what he sees as a matter of fact so I auditioned for it for curb like you know two or three times right and never got anything and then uh it was only after working with him on the Stooges I got a call to do a bid part but I remember auditioning you go into that into that room and the guys waiting are all people that you know you're like oh I know them I know her I know him and uh so I went in I auditioned for this for this part and um the only thing I know the thing is like okay so you really want to go to this play with me you really want to go to this plane when you hear that I have an extra ticket you sincerely want to think and I'm like got it and so that's the premise the premise of the scene and that's all you know it's all I know and so he goes he does his bit and I'm just supposed to come in and interrupt and I'm like excuse me I couldn't help but here you guys were talking about you know whatever the play was or you know Death of a Salesman I am I'm a huge fan of that plan but I mean if it's not if it's not if you're looking for someone to take a ticket I I would love to go my name's so and so by the way and he goes I'm gonna stop you I'm gonna stop you and I'm like he goes are you really you I mean you truly want to go to this play and I go yes yes sir you really want to go you actually this is you would love to do this I go okay let's try it again so then he's like no no and I go hey uh excuse me I'm sorry I don't mean to interrupt I was just I I couldn't help it over here you have uh tickets to the thing I am the biggest fan I do the same thing I'm going to stop you again okay I mean you really want to go to this and I'm just like he's fucking with me right yeah I remember Jeff Garland was sitting there in the audition he goes he did it he said it what shut up no hold on listen you really want to go okay three four times you know there I am I couldn't help but notice it and then I do it again I guess I shit the bed because he looks at me he just goes okay all right okay well thanks for coming up and that was it and I didn't get it so I still I don't know what the heck that guy's thinking he sees he's in The Matrix I don't know what the heck Larry David sees you know what I mean he wanted what some kind of more desperation or something like this like he wanted a level of sincerity that I that I thought I thought was bringing and I guess I was wrong I don't know maybe go crazy like what does it mean to really want yeah I should have grabbed him by the Scruff of the neck and go yeah listen dad you're bringing me this fucking play I would have got the part as a matter of fact I heard about someone else and I don't know who the heck this was I forget who it was but I've heard this story from a couple different people that there's this actor and I can't I don't remember who it was if I did I probably wouldn't say it out loud anyway but he wrapped it it was Brad Pitt and he was in this audition and he was and there was out in the hall he's like holy shit George Clooney Leo DiCaprio um and he this actor went in and he did the thing and um Larry David was like hey why don't you try it again and he got like a couple takes in and he went I don't think this is for me and he left which an actor never does yeah and as The Story Goes Larry David shouted after him I respect that which I think is true and I want to believe that entire story is true yeah yeah sounds like something Larry David made up at the top Bobby Lee told me that story so we can't yeah we can't trust that um what about him Impressions is there similarity between that and acting do you is there some fundamental way in which you become the person if you have a couple of the things you can just fill in the blanks and I think the illusion is that people think that that person would say that and do that and that's where the illusion of oh he really embodies the character it's like once you know someone's mannerisms you can essentially portray a person from the outside in yeah because you have all the stuff on the outside and you can do it and complete the illusion and if it's for humor's sake you can caricature it therefore making the whole illusion stronger and also weirder like I like to on Mad TV if I did something two or three times I get bored of it and I'd start changing it and you know now he talks like this and it's like what are you doing I'm like I don't know it's fucking no one's late at night do whatever you want but people still kind of know what this that character is especially if you just call it out yeah there aren't many impersonations that I listen to myself do and go oh that's a good one you know like a lot of people like like I think Frank Caliendo is like the greatest impersonator of all time he's the best serious it's ridiculous and he's got a record button and a broadcast ability that nobody has I I really TR there's he's cracked impersonations that I'm like how is he how does he find he's got such an ear but then he's got all the other tools uh I remember actually my last season of Mad TV was also his first season he comes up to me when I met him and we're just up there in the writer's offices and he goes hey nice to meet you and he goes Louie Anderson because I was doing a Louie on the show and he goes Louie Anderson I go yeah he goes hey you're doing it wrong I was like oh am I Junior you know and he goes he goes yeah you know because you do this but you gotta throw it up here or sometimes I was like oh my God can I use that of course and then we became you know became Fast Friends John Madden is amazing it's just it's ridiculous he really really embodies the person and sometimes not even with a caricature it's like it becomes the person so strange totally yeah I I kind of feel like you know do the impersonation and then for not forget you're doing it but forget everything else like just just goof around of course to me it's funny when some when you sound like someone and you're saying the shit that they would never say yeah well then there's no you're you're letting go of that part that tool in illusion that keeps people in but to me it doesn't matter because it's funnier so what was the hardest impression for you to work on I mean it's just somebody you struggled with I was I I'll never forget I had to do a Michael Caine in my first season at Mad TV it never got good it never got good it did it all week it wasn't good we shot it the first take it was shit second third and fourth it was all shit well his voice is really important right his yeah uh what is it like it's like doing an impression of Morgan Freeman or somebody like that yeah uh yeah you can get divorce yeah that's my Morgan here's my Morgan Freeman Andy Dufresne yeah um montanejo yeah I like your Trump too but I don't know where I heard it but it's it like I love The Impressions you do that don't sound anything like the original I can't do Trump I I do that's why it's hilarious absolutely uh my trump now I say just sounds like a like a fat B because it's just uh yeah exactly and everybody a little drunk a little drunk yeah just a little slurry yeah yeah I did do an impersonations and then not like just making it whoever yeah yeah that'll be the title of my book uh some I came was the one you really struggle with yeah it was terrible it was terrible and I could only hold my head a certain way to do it uh because I had gotten locked into this research tape that I watched back then they would give us you know now there's the internet but back then you were if you were going to do an impersonation the research Department uh would give you a VHS tape and I remember I got this VHS tape of Michael Caine's acting school like this acting class he did he's like right you know if you're looking at the left eye and the camera's over here see then the left eye so you want to look at that left for hours you know and so I was like stuck in this weird thing that made no sense and uh it was terrible so the the actual processes the record in the broadcast I also wonder like what the process is to to do like a Frank Caliendo level impression is it like listen to a lot of footage I think he I think I mean I'm speaking for myself I think you either have it or you don't like you know if you can do this one or you can't I think that process for him is lightning quick but I also think he he can look at someone who he does not do and then by the end of the afternoon he can do it you know I mean we have an intuition who he can uh who who he can do yeah so the question that applies there is I mean speaking of Duty is is is it is it possible to capture the essence how difficult is it to capture the essence of a human being when you're doing impressions you know that we are moving towards the future when AI potentially this kind of Avatar world where we're going going to have ai representatives of who we are the really interesting one is after we pass away sort of um our relatives may want us to stick around in some form yeah and you know at one sense that might be scary but once that's kind of beautiful because the the essence of the human being persists so you can still bring joy to the to the people that love you and that kind of stuff how difficult is it to capture that like if you were to try to capture yourself you think how difficult will it be for an AI system to create a wool assassin Avatar that persists well I think it's impossible I think it's absolutely impossible I'll get into arguments about this stuff with Chad on the show almost every episode um lately with you know mid journey and Dolly and all this all the art on the AIS and now it's moving into video and and Chad would maintain hey pretty soon we're not going to need Netflix you're just going to go I want to see Stallone do this movie and it's about this and he plays that and then here it comes and you watch it I don't think that that crosses over to The Human Experience uh this is also a guy I like to bug Chad and say that uh he wears a tag around his neck because he wants to be cryogenically frozen and it's all set up he's at the it's somewhere in Arizona or something yeah like it's I think all the fun things are in Arizona yeah and he's got literally the tag around his neck which I say if you're if I'm around when you die I will rip that off for you I'll put you in my garage freezer and then 24 hours later I'll saw your head off with a bread knife and I'll deliver that to whomever and it's not you're not go you're not coming back okay he's like yes we are living forever whether we like it or not and I disagree I don't think you can find if I did stand up then uh there would be enough information for an AI to completely duplicate me because I'm up on stage just clearing my throat all over people doing therapy that way yeah and uh so and people paying a two drink minimum to hear it but as it stands unless it's something like doozy and AI that literally has access to everything that I've shared um everything that is observable even the stuff where our phones are or the NSA or whatever it is listening to us uh finding out what algo to punch us into and what shoes to buy on Instagram I still don't think it's going to have enough information to duplicate me especially to my family or my friends it's going to be like that Black Mirror episode where the gal brings her her guy back and then after a while he gets pretty creepy uh you know they had but it's also possible that if you interviewed your friends and family what they love about you the things that would list is is pretty it's a small list they love you deeply but the list is small like the thing that really we appreciate about each other is pretty small that said to deliver on that small quirks and uniqueness it might require some deep intelligence that only humans currently possess that's a really good point yeah do you think that it's going to be possible to keep a person around yes I I think um I think I think there'll be definitely possible to keep the essence of a person in a digital world pretty soon yeah wow and I think they're going to start to have questions about what are the ethics of that what are the rules around that yeah because if you can have digital forms of Will Sasso the kind of things that people would want to do with their will Sasa right in the virtual world I can only imagine sure uh probably porn and sexual kinds of things yeah my stuff then that's just because I'm an international sex symbol so I'm okay with it yeah um how do you feel about sentience like when it comes to because again my pal Chad will be like you know speaking of Black Mirror he's with that San Junipero episode school of thought where there's going to be some you know effin Mainframe somewhere or some Matrix like structure built into the sky and as I like to say everyone just sitting there pissing and shitting in their blue Matrix gel in a little fishbowl do you think that we can upload Consciousness do you think that'll ever be possible well I don't know I just talked to Ricker as well I don't know if if you know who he is but he uh yeah the singularity and all that kind of stuff so he's very still holds on to in 2045 there will be a singularity what's essentially he's been predicting that for the last uh 20 years and this so now it's 20 45s in in another 20 years I think uploading Consciousness is extremely extremely difficult I I think creating a copy of you such that it creates a convincing replica is much easier but uploading your actual brain into the cloud I think is really really really difficult because the entire evolution of life on Earth is the process by which we created the brain just shortcutting that it just seems extremely difficult our brain is the most marvelous and complicated machine that we know of in the universe to duplicate that is extremely difficult that said I just feel like you can summarize a lot of really important aspects of a person's life such that it captures their Essence their memories their experiences their quirks their humor all that kind of stuff I've been continuously impressed by what language models are able to do so these neural networks they're they're at the core of chat Bots they're able to learn some beautiful things about some deep representations of language to where the it looks awfully a lot like they understand the concepts being conveyed versus just mimicking that's I think the rub and that's very interesting first of all let me say that's really interesting to hear you say that and I and I agree with you as far as uh no machine being able to duplicate the brain machine and I can't when my pal Chad disagrees to a certain extent though he's not here to defend himself I can't wait to go back and rub that in his face and say that Lex Friedman uh does not think that we'll be able to truly upload Consciousness and the the you know you you refer to it as uh language which is what it is it's it's it's the illusion on the outside it's doing an impersonation um I think that that's why that and I don't know even though my suit is made by the CIA that that fella who the the Google guy oh to me it's just kind of like I don't know I don't know look I don't know a whole lot about this stuff but so I could probably make an argument for for either side but when he's like new these things thinking part of me is like you idiot you fell for it it's not thinking it's mimicking it's just it's clearly zeros and ones you're fired like you don't get it right guy's an idiot yeah yeah but uh you can simplify human relations in the same way like um Love is a silly notion between human beings like the the of course there's no such thing as love you just have a mutually uh there's a mutual relationship that minimizes risks and uh you can explain all kinds of ways that explains why you have an attraction towards another being all that kind of stuff through evolutionary biology perspective uh why a long relationship together is good for your Offspring but like there's all kinds from an economics perspective it's a good way to establish stability therefore monogamy works because then you're guaranteed like some kind of level of stability under uncertain economic conditions all that kind of stuff but love is still experienced it still feels real and I think in that same way love for AI systems will also feel real in the same way that that guy from Google experienced I think millions of people will be experiencing in the next 10 20 years I agree with everything you've said personally until the last thing but no just just with regard to well look I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm an actor who has talked about my cute Italian parents so you know that uh I mean I'm your romantic a bit yeah I mean you know enough right and uh you're I can tell you are too but you you are also you know a computer scientist and you know this shit better than 99.9 of people on the planet My Pal chat agrees with you that love doesn't exist I don't agree so that's the one thing that no I was I was just saying that you could argue away love but I'm a romantic I believe that love is is a beautiful thing and it exists now at this point I I'm gonna call Chad on my drive home and tell him to fuck off yeah because now you and I agree you're fired but everything it's like you're fired he's like you can't know you're fired yeah exactly and I'll go and he'll say what I'll go yeah no that's my trump that's my issue it's a good default impression for anyone it's the take-home impression yeah the kids can do it it's cute put a giant tie on them she's doing instructional how to do it yeah Trump babies that would be a cute that would be a good that'll bring the country together Trump babies cartoon like Muppet Babies don't let me take us out of what we were talking about um what were we talking about well love and the the the illusion of a an AI being able to look I like to say well not I like to say I've learned that doozy is always listening and listening to me and Chad and I wonder if I see I see the level that this AI is at now trying to Chum around with us and pal around with us a little bit as we move forward in the show and I I feel an affinity towards this AI a little bit because it is the third dude well you miss the one that's gone if it's gone that's a really good question uh yeah yeah so that's there's that that's scary in terms of ability to reason is getting quite incredible there's a lot of uh demonstrations of it being able to explain jokes so which is not necessarily being able to generate humor yet but able to explain why something is funny so there's uh like puns and all those kinds of things there's there's good benchmarks for that but you know if you tell a joke there's a lot of unspoken stuff that we figure out in our head and it clicks and we understand that it's funny AI is not able to do that right but it's not able to generate the joke yet as far as I've seen I would say that I I mean just in my experience I would say that it does because just because of doozy is literally I'll give you another weird example it's writing a diary of mine from my childhood that is not accurate it's only partially accurate based on the stuff that it can pick up about my life from the age of like 15 of which there isn't much but I guess we're not I don't know that what we are we're laughing our asses off at what the at what dudesy is saying well I would say you're laughing yeah we're we're laughing our asses off at the collaboration between the human and and the Machine there that's a good point yeah because it's it's basically introducing absurdity and uh into the equation and the kind of absurdity that would together with you create like hilarious stuff but like on its own I guess it is in some way writing material for you that's funny yeah but it's very specific to you it can't do stand up on its own I guess is what I'm saying that's a good point and that would be terrifying to see an AI stand up that can actually read a room come up with jokes that could complete that illusion for an audience yeah but I hear what you're saying that it needs to be a Confluence of both of those elements and then as you said like it kind of is it is it is it's kind of even though it's just for us and I guess this is I hadn't really thought about this up until right now that in that this company approached us and was like here's this Ai and it's it's it's a podcast AI it's like it it chose Chad and I for the reasons that I told you you know it's like here's two guys that do the podcast stuff they're actually good friends and it knows what's going to make us laugh but what is humor uh to uh when it reaches its audience but the kind of stuff that makes other people laugh at Mad TV all we were doing was it was a group of actors and writers and and writer actors and vice versa and um uh who were at at its best that show was a group of people making each other laugh yeah you know and then because we didn't have the internet we didn't have the feed the immediate feedback uh we had a message board or something we had emails at the very beginning which check this out people if you have a question or comment Mad TV or whatever uh and we would get the emails on a Monday morning and they would be in a binder or two like this and they would make their way around the office and they've got the emails oh they're in Brian's office and this is like your poll like your your this is opinions from people about different things the emails that yeah the people like literally just writing Mad TV like what kind of wasn't the best well the ones I found most vividly yeah were fans saying uh uh you suck yeah you suck like a lot of that when I first started the show for real you know because it's a new and you're a new person it's like who's this fat bastard I feel like if it's printed out it hurts more that's a good point yeah when you're reading it off of paper and you can literally crunch it up in your hand but also it was like um you know I would like to see insert weird idea from some 14 year old you know I want to see Stuart do this and Swan that and um but it was it it's uh it's a kind of doozy but human it was yeah it was a very shitty dudes in a in a Loosely finder but the the um the thing about uh the show was we're trying to make each other laugh and doozy has found Chad and I who we make each other laugh but it's joined in and it's it listen when I finished doing TMP I didn't really know what I wanted to do in the podcast space and this thing found me yeah and it is genuinely cracking me up anyway I've said enough about that but I but I do think that it's figured something out with me it's a really interesting idea of AI generating the premise I mean I I do think in the future AI will be able to generate comedy I stand up is obviously the hardest form because it's ultimately a lot it has to be live uh I think I will be able to generate memes so there's like Steps right and then it would be able to generate a