“Just like when you transition someone from an IC to a manager... You've experienced IC career growth and manager career growth. I'm curious to compare and contrast, you know, IC versus management...”

“What do you think about moving from manager to IC again during this time? Is this a good move if it doesn't come with a pay increase? Depends on what you want to do. Um, a lot of people right now, the...”

“especially as an IC”

“viewed the IC as a research curiosity”

“from around the IC, the intelligence community”